Although this topic has never been brought up on this blog it is an important one for those who will need to pay for the new kollel member's tuitions.
White Oak has started a shtark kollel called the Kollel of Greater Washington. Granted it is nice to have Torah being spread amongst the community, however was this needed?
I look at it like this: If a community needs to grow there has to be money involved. Essentially that was the idea for starting this kollel. Why then would it make sense to attract more families, who will need financial assistance? How does this inflate a community? If the money runs out the incentive (in this case the kollel) disappears.
I look at the Yeshiva kollel, How successful was it to draw in a big Jewish community? Was it kollel that increased the Kemp Mill community? Or is it the schools in the area that bring the people in?
Personally, I think it is a Leader that draws people to a community. We all have seen established communities pick themselves up and move to Israel, for example. I leader defines their people, not a people defining a Leader.
Torah should not be used as an incentive to draw people to a community. There is no Halachic ruling that says that a "Kollel" needs to be in a community or even two. There is a need to have a Mikva, and a Shul.
Torah is an essential platform that a community needs to be created on but if it is used as a
"cheap" tool to create a community it can not happen. I think that using it as a tool is actually degrading it and may touch on using HIS name in vain.
Leaders start and uphold a community. In Europe and the times of the Gemorrah there were specific towns and cities that had Torah institutions but they were few.
I wonder if Lakewood envisioned having a bustling Jewish community? The reason for going to this area was to get away from the city.
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Yes,
1 comment: You are a disgrace to this entire Jewish community. You are an Am ha'aretz! You have no sense of what it means to be a frum Jew and should be put in cheirim. It is one thing after another, Mark.
Wow, Wow, Wow!!! You just dont stop!
Get a freakin' life!!!!
You go on and on attacking all the roots of yiddeshkeit....the mikva, and now a kollel?
You seem like an anti semite?!?
Okay for one thing, you obviously did not read the post carefully.
You also tend to be way too emotional and can not even talk to the situation logically.
Before you start labeling and putting down someone, try to come up with a comment that has substance and not emotional chatter.
Gutten Shabbos
Last I checked when I was moving to a new community I made sure that there was a Shul...Jewish School...a good paying Job...and a good leader/Rabbi.....I do not think I ever considered a Kollel in my list.
Mark
I think a kollel can do wonderful things for a community. There are many examples were a kollel has been instrumental in a community's growth both in numbers and spiritually. While I understand that a kollel requires lots of funding, what harm can trying to start a kollel cause. If there is not enough funding it will not last, but if there is it can be a great resource to a community.
Last you checked, huh?
Where did you check?!?
Last you checked....when’s the last time you learnt a daf gemara? Clearly, you don’t have your priorities straight...a shul, and a Jewish school is all you need? What about a beis medrash to learn during your free time?
Mark, as you can see from your poll, your stupidity gets you nowhere! No one wants to hear it...your poll about getting a life clearly showed you need one and this poll about trying to remove a beis medrash from the community has also shown your opinions are not values one bit here. How bout you and me have a chavrusa....we can learn some mussar, or perhaps another sefer and try and turn you around to the correct path before its too late:)
A kollel is a wonderful institution. Having said that one must be careful not to let it become an assembly for peple who just don't "want to get a life" or don't want to face the realities of life. Kollels have been used in the past as vehicles for draft dodgers etc. As a famous Rabbi in Yerushalaim has said and still says, only 1% of those entering Kollel belong there. So by all means have another Kollel as long as it does not financially burden the community to supportYunger Leight who just want to get away from it all.
I think Mark has a good point. If White Oak decides it needs a kollel, it impacts the entire community who now have to pay for thier kids to go to school. Also, there is now less money to go to community schools because it is going to support this second kollel. Why should one small section of the community be allowed to impact the greater community this greatly?
Why dont you look at it this way.....why dont you calculate the amount of torah you yourself learn and then be happy that someone else is learning torah to benefit your community. Learning torah is the purpose of olam hazeh. Not money, not politics, not any other nareshkait. They are learning torah which is alot more than you are doing and perhaps when you daven (if you daven) daven that you get some of their zechusim for supporting them in their learning. You, my friend are gonna have a zero balance when you reach olam ha'emes and have not a penny (of acceptable currency) to speak for yourself.
(falling asleep during the rabbis sermon doesnt get you any points, in case you were wondering)
i can tell you never had to pay a tuition bill in your life, am i right?
You seem very angry, i think you need some therapy and i know a great social worker for you
Money may not be the purpose of this world as anonymous said, but you sure need a heck of a lot of it to send your kids to a school that teaches Torah!
It is definetly effecting the money going to me
Once again you did not read the post you moron!
No one says that a Bais Midrash is a non-necessity. A community can exist and should exist within a community. Look at Yeshuvim in Israel that have working individuals but maintain a nightly Basi Medrash that is full of Baal Habbatim that our smarter then all of us put together.
You(the mad one) need to answer these issues with your mind not your emotion.
Why don't you invite a Rabbi, who you claim to associate with and have him answer some of these questions and add intelligent comments not hot air..You actually sound like the Democrats who just react emotionally to issues without responsible and logical answers
I just came across this blog after typing in Silver Spring kollel to the google search...
I am looking for a community for my family and I to live.
After reading this blog My wife and I have scratched "KOLLEL" off as neccesities for a community...
Thanks Mark!!
Clearly Mark wrote the last post....trying to boost his ego! Nice move mark....did you actually try googling that? I did....you wont find this blog anywhere in the results. Nice try though!
You are correct, they should probably move the kollel to a torah community who appreciates them and sees how important kollelim are in a frum community. My thoughts are that they are trying to be mekarev all of you ameratzim.
Hey!! me too!! im also not going to move to the community....cuz there is a kollel there and i hate kollels!!! See, now i sound like mark:)
"Clearly Mark wrote the last post....trying to boost his ego! Nice move mark....did you actually try googling that? I did....you wont find this blog anywhere in the results. Nice try though!
You are correct, they should probably move the kollel to a torah community who appreciates them and sees how important kollelim are in a frum community. My thoughts are that they are trying to be mekarev all of you ameratzim."
1)Get a life!
2)Get a life!
3)Get a life!
You have so much time on your hands....you either work for the government or you "learn" in a kollel
clearly Mark works for the Government
Sounds like the kollel guy is out numbered
I think the kollel is a beautiful addition to this thriving Jewish community. I have yet to see a community who cant use another torah institution.
May the Silver Spring community be zoche to many more beautiful additions.
Why would you want to remove a kollel from a frum jewish community? Im not understanding. you asked if silver spring needs another kollel? Yes we need another one. We could always use another place where learning torah is going on. I vote, yes
Why does money have to be involved in order for a community to grow? I look at a little different. If a community needs to grow, there has to be torah involved. This difference of opinion could be due to our upbringing. Perhaps my focus in life in torah and yours is money? Could that be?
In economic times like we are in right now, who has money to support a kollel. learn lishmah
only time will tell
Mark, Go jump in a lake
I agree with inverted breastroke^^
Maybe you should take a dip in somthing a bit more spiritual
Agreed mark, open up a sefer once in a while....it may help you open your eyes to see the real world, instead of those money symbols.
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