Okay, by now I hope I got your attention. If you live in Silver Spring and you know of the potpourri of Minyanim in YISE, there has been a shortfall of $$$ to provide a Kiddush every single Shabbos at the 8:00 Minyan.
For those of you that are from out of Maryland, the CHEVRA is a anonymous (mmm... maybe there is something wrong with that) group/club that pays a certain amount of money every month on top of their membership dues to be able to supply a Kiddish every week.
Most recently, there has been an appeal to recruit more members and increase the "CHEVRA Kidisha" membership by + $100 or something.
Wow...what blatant Chutzpa! What a bunch of fiscally irresponsible fools!
This is the same type of thinking for the Mikva....Yes the Mikva!!
Let's get our priorities straight!! Why not appeal for each member to pay their regular membership dues in on time!!?? Why do we need a kiddush every single shabbos????
Let's cut spending not increase!!! This is the problem with today's thinking!! It is all about the luxury not about the basics!
Let's get our priorities straight!! Get ready people! the Gematria of CHEVRA = OBAMA!
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Oh cmon stop being a baby. Kiddish clubs have been a Jewish tradition that dates back to the early ages. One can take a break from davening and lift a few and shmooz with your fellow imbibers. What better way to spend a Shabbos morning. In fact one could use the extra money to hire bouncers to eliminate any kiddush crashers.
personally i feel very left out
i dont understand you guys! i came across this site while looking for some information on when the new mikva will be completed I'yh. My wife had an appointment this evening and spent TWO HOURS there!!! Why? because there was a line of people waiting! Why did that happen? because the mikvaos in our lovely community cant take the needs of our growing community. There is frequently a line! This is wrong for several reasons all of which were addressed by the rabbonim in their letter. The mikva is supposed to be relaxing and unhurried! How can our wives be unhurried through the process dictated by the torah if she has 3-5 people waiting behind her?!? Secondly, by the laws of tznius, no one aside from the woman's husband and the mikva attendant is supposed to know when a woman goes to the mikva. This is impossible with the amount of women who need to use our mikvaos everyday! There are not enough preparation rooms, there are not enough mikvaos, and with the limited number of rooms, we dont have enough time slots to allow each woman to go the process properly. I agree tuition is a problem in our city as it is in EVERY Jewish city. That doesn't make it right to forget about building a desperately needed mikva in our community. The people speaking here saying we dont need a mikva either have never seen our mikvaos, are not careful about taharas hamishpacha or honestly couldn't care about their wives and their valued time. To make our wives stand in line at the mikva like one does at the grocery store is disgusting and extremely inappropriate (not tznius). Anyone who knows the situation of our mikvaos can blatantly see how we are in dire need of a new mikva. Dont get me wrong though. I agree something should be done about tuition in every Jewish city around the world, but why must you attack a very good thing we have in the making here in our lovely community? We need this mikva badly!
I don't care how large the Mikvah is the probability will always be high that the women will bump into each other. The solution to your Tznius problem was already addressed by Mark by everyone building their own Mivah.
and we allready saw your post on the mikva topic, no need to double post. if you want i will get you a megaphone
Yes, please buy me a megaphone:)
If you saw my post already and did not respond....and now you did respond...and thats all you can think of saying???... you must agree and are afraid to say so.
And why do you think that the women will bump into each other? Have you ever been inside a properly constructed mikva? The way it is done in other frum communities is that each woman is given her own preparation room which are all connected to the mikva room. When it is her turn to use the mikva, the attendant knocks on the door and lets her in. When she is done, she leaves through the back entrance so no one see here. This prevents from any of them seeing each other. If you dont believe me, go to baltimore, go to new york, go to new jersey, go to chicago, go to cleveland, go to all these cities and ask for a tour of the mikva. They'll show you how we construct mikvaos today in order to retain the proper tznius and decorum which is required. It so so blatant that this community needs this mikva and i am having a hard time understanding why the mikva which we so desperately need is what you want to get rid of to solve the tuition crisis which is affecting every frum community in the world. Yes, every frum community has this problem....but silver spring should not have a proper mikva until the problem gets fixed???
Okay...I have to chime in now.. First of all your assumptions of:
"The people speaking here saying we dont need a mikva either have never seen our mikvaos, are not careful about taharas hamishpacha"
That statement is absolutely false, selfish, and haughty. I know very well what the mikva looks like and I practice Taharas Hamishpacha better then you(as if I know or you know each other????)
" or honestly couldn't care about their wives and their valued time."
Another selfish comment. I care very well of women's time. I am not sure which Mikva you use but my wife does not report any lines when she goes. Secondly, she prepares at home while I watch the kids, feed them dinner, put them to bed, and say Shema with them. During that time sheh is taking a very relaxing bath and reading a novel.
"Laws of Tznius" - Unfortunetly, there are many other Tznius problems in this community that we need to work on besides from other woman seeing each other at the Mikva! As if Monsey, Baltimore, and other bigger communities never run in the issue of woman seeing each other!!
So I assume all these other Mivaot that you are talking about have private parking for each woman which connects directly to the various rooms so that Chas VaShalom she will not see anyone by chance when she parks her car.
give me a break
I also watch the kids, feed them dinner and put them to bed while she prepares at home....and guess what? When she spent 2 hours at the mikva this week due to the line there....it shows that the mikvaos can not handle the amount people that need to use it!
And i dont practice taharas hamishpacha....I laearnt the shulchan orach on it and i do it (its not just for practice, we're talking about issurei kareis!)
Lastly, We are supposed to do whatever we can to prevent the women from seeing each other there. With the capacity of our mikvaos, it is almost impossible. Even if they dont see each other, just knowing that there is someone who needs to use the mikva 5 minutes after her appointment gives her a rushed feeling not allowing each woman to have the proper kavanah she is supposed to be having. Yes, we pasken mitzvos tzrichos kavanah!!
If the women have their own preparation room to enter when they arrive, the chances of seeing one another is extremely slim. If however, there is only 1 room, it is impossible not to.
Cant we find something else to attack other than the community's well-needed mikva? Cant we find a luxury or something that each of us can do without that may help? Why do we insist on attacking something which involves an issur of kareis, is needed in the community, is a beautiful mitzva....
Once again, i agree tuition had gotten pit of hand...but this is the wrong place to give in for the sake of tuition. Im sure each of us can examine our lives and find something else we can give up. Why the mikva of all things?!?
"Once again, i agree tuition had gotten pit of hand...but this is the wrong place to give in for the sake of tuition. Im sure each of us can examine our lives and find something else we can give up. Why the mikva of all things?!?"
Well said! I think these issues are unrelated. There is a clear need for a larger mikva to accommodate more women. Tuition is a problem, but it should not be tied into our communities need for a larger mikva.
Finally another bar daas here! Thank you 40 seah! I was almost convinced everyone in silver spring had their priorities backwards!
this is a new one....complaining about too much food
40 seah is a real bar daas, now if he would only learn how to shut up and deal.
Poppy
go jump in a lake
all card dealing should have stopped after nittel nacht
I agree with Eli Phontus:
"this is a new one....complaining about too much food"
Since when is too much food a problem in our circles?!
Too much food is not the problem....it is the money in the hole we are in. The Shul should set priority of balancing their budget before monies is requested for a Kiddush every Shabbos.
Mark, first of all do you know the shul budget is not balanced? Second of all I think this is more a private group of people (chevra) who want a kidish, I do not think it is the shul asking for money or pushing for it. I think you are making this into a bigger issue than it is.
If that is the case...why make a public appeal? It sounded to me like they were in Crisis!!
Let it be that there is No Kiddush. Why not see how people react. Maybe people will learn from experience. If they want a Kiddish that bad they will have to pay..Let them come to that conclusion..don't make an urgent appeal. They should be making an urgent appeal for collection of dues.
When was there an urgent appeal made? I must of missed it. The shul never made a big deal about it. We all need to take a deep breath and relax a little instead of picking on everything that happens in the community. I am proud to live in Silver Spring and I think it is a nice community. I am looking forward to meeting you at the kiddush this Shabbos.
if mark would stop caring about such little things, there would be no blog!
be happy with what you have
I agree with kiddush hopper:
get a life, mark!
I enjoy criticism and respect my fellow bloggers...THE POLL IS ON!!
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